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Zoë Routh Leadership Podcast

Oct 26, 2019

Cindy Wigglesworth is best selling author of SQ21: The Twenty-One Skills of Spiritual Intelligence. Her work has had an enormous impact on my own perspective of leadership. The need to develop wise and compassionate leaders is needed more than ever. This is one of the most important interviews for leadership I have done so far. A must listen for those aspiring to make a bigger difference.

We discuss:

  • How the experience of divorce and raising a daughter was a profound stimulus for reflection and the impetus to explore better leadership
  • Why ego-driven leadership and its poorest forms of narcissism and self absorption is exhausting to be around
  • How leadership from the more expanded point of view the Higher Self attracts people willingly to follow you
  • The work of advanced spiritual intelligence as a continual practice 
  • The calling “to be a light onto the world” is within us all, and the work we do can be the candle that lights the way for others
  • Why Cindy is grateful for President Trump as he has been a catalyst for Americans to examine the profound truth of how much racial divide is still systemic, and why there is still much racial and political healing to do in the USA
  • How Obama created the conditions that brought Trump forward
  • How we are all called to growth
  • The lotus flower blooms in mud, just as we can bloom through the muck and mess of our own lives
  • The role of a new thought Church to foster Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha
  • Why you need to have your BS challenges (belief system, as well as the other B.S.)
  • How emotional intelligence is the first thing to address as leaders: name the emotion, identify what triggered, and practice inserting a PAUSE between stimulus and response

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The three jewels of Zen Buddhism:

  • Buddha - the teacher
  • Dharma - the teaching
  • Sangha - the community of practitioners

The Unity Church 

About Cindy Wigglesworth:  

Cindy Wigglesworth, MA is the bestselling author of SQ21: The Twenty-One Skills of Spiritual Intelligence (SelectBooks, 2012), a book that won a Hoffer Award for best spiritual book of 2013. 

Her SQ21 spiritual intelligence self-assessment has created a validated and diversity-appropriate way of having spiritual conversations in the workplace. John Mackey, co-CEO of Whole Foods Market, calls SQ “the next frontier in leadership.” 

Cindy founded her business, now called Deep Change, in 2000 after working at ExxonMobil for 20 years in Human Resources management.  She teaches leadership development and focuses on the multiple intelligences required for success in our personal and professional lives. 

Cindy has spoken at numerous conferences including: Conscious Capitalism, Integral Leadership in Action, Business and Consciousness, Spirit in Business, Spirit at Work and the World Business Academy.  Cindy has appeared on Oprah, PBS, Fox26 News, TEDxLowerEastSide, TEDxSonomaCounty and numerous radio programs abd conferences. Her blog can be found on the Huffington Post.

Her website is  


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About your host,  Zoë Routh:

Zoë Routh is one of Australia’s leading experts on people stuff - the stuff that gets in our way of producing results, and the stuff that lights us up. She works with the growers, makers, builders to make people stuff fun and practical.

Zoë is the author of four books: Composure - How centered leaders make the biggest impact,  Moments - Leadership when it matters most, Loyalty - Stop unwanted stuff turnover, boost engagement, and build lifelong advocates, and People Stuff - Beyond Personalities: An advanced handbook for leadership. People Stuff was awarded Book of the Year 2020 by the Smart WFM Australian Business Book Awards.

Zoë is also the producer of The Zoë Routh Leadership Podcast.